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There Will be War Anthologies
Created by Jerry Pournelle
Edited by John F. Carr
TOR Books
There Will be War (1983) : TOR Books
John Carr Associate Editor
Cover Artist: Unknown
Story Name Author
Preface
Jerry Pournelle
1. Reflex
Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
2. Spanish Man’s Grave
James Warner Bellah
3. Marius
Poul Anderson
4. The Threat
Advisory Commission
5. Ender’s Game
Orson Scott Card
6. A Death in Realtime
R.S. McEnroe
7. Overdose
Spider Robinson
8. Saul’s Death
Joe Haldeman
9. High Frontier
Robert A. Heinlein & Lt. General Daniel Graham
10. Two Poems
Jon Post
11. Disasporah
W.R. Yates
12. His Truth Goes Matching On
Jerry Pournelle
13. THOR
Weapons Committee of Citizens’ Advisory Council on National Space
Policy
14. The Defenders
Philip K. Dick
15. Unlimited Warfare
Hayford Pierce
16. The Battle
Robert Sheckley
17. Military Virtue
Jerry Pournelle
18. Ranks of Bronze
David Drake
19. I Am Nothing
Eric Frank Russell
20. Call Him Lord
Gordon R. Dickson
21. Quiet Village
David McDaniel
22. Strategy of Technology
Jerry Pournelle
23. Widow’s Party
Rudyard Kipling
There Will Be War II: Men of War (1984) : TOR Books
* Note the Index does not have Story Numbers listed just the names.
Cover Artist: Alan Gutierrez
Story Name
Author
Preface
Jerry Pournelle
1. The Weapon
Fredric Brown
2. Time Lag
Poul Anderson
3. The Technological War
Stefan T. Possony and Jerry E. Pournelle
4. Manual of Operations
Jerry Pournelle
5. ‘Caster Eric
Vinicoff
6. Proud Legions
T.R. Fehrenbach
7. … and Baby Makes Three
Doan Van Toai
8. In The Name of The Father
Edward P. Hughes
9. Superiority
Arthur C. Clarke
10. Final Muster
Rick Rubin
11. Parable of the Phantom Limb (Poem)
Edward C. Garret
12. Forbidden Lines (Poem)
Robert Frazier
13. Two Poems Steve
Rasnic Tem
14. On the Shadow of A Phosper Screen
William F. Wu
15. Cincinnatus
Joel Rosenberg
16. Code-Name Feirefitz
David Drake
17. Allamagoosa
Eric Frank Russell
18. Peacekeeper
J.E. Pournelle, Ph.D.
There Will Be War III: Blood and Iron (1984): TOR Books
Associate Editor John F. Carr
Cover Artist: Angus McKie
Story Name
Author
1. Introduction: Deterrent of Defense
Jerry Pournelle
2. The Spectre General
Theodore Cogswell
3. This Earth of Hours James Blish
4. 007: “It Is Enough, Ivan. Go Home!” Reginald Bretnor
5. The ‘Eathen Rudyard Kipling
6. The Tools of War Roland J. Green and Clyde R. Jones
7. Act of Mercy D.C. Poyer
8. The Economics of War David Friedman
9. That Day Rudyard Kipling
10. The Miracle-Workers Jack Vance
11. The Defense of Europe Stefan T. Possony
12. Hide and Seek Arthur C. Clarke
13. The Myh of a Liberation Truong Nhu Tang with Doan Van Toai
14. Psi-Rec: Of Sword and Sitar, The War Without Peter Dillingham
15. Silent Leges
Jerry Pournelle
16. Afterword
Jerry Pournelle
There Will be War IV: Day of the Tyrant
(1985): TOR Books
Associate Editor John F. Carr
Cover Artist: Bob Layzell
Story Name
Author
1. Introduction: Sic Semper Tyrannis
Jerry Pournelle
2. Macdonough’s Song
Rudyard Kipling
3. The Cloak and the Staff
Gordon R. Dickson
4. Winter Snow
Eric Vinicoff and Marcia Martin
5. A Way out Maybe… or A Dead End For Sure
John Brunner
6. A Letter from the Soviet Union
Alexander Shatravka
7. Emergency Rations
Theodore R. Cogswell
8. The Proud Foot of the Conqueror
Reginald Bretnor
9. Lepanto Gilbert
Keith Chesterton
10. A Cure for Croup
Edward P. Hughes
11. Comment and Discussion on “Elevation of the U.S. Fleet” by
Captain Richard B Laning, USN (ret.)
Kenneth Roy, P.E.
12. Battle At Kahlkhopolis
Robert Adams
13. Conqueror of Vectis
Keith Taylor
14. Pretty Baby
Ray Peekner
15. The Man in the Gray Weapons Suit
Paul J. Nahin
16. Regan Vs. The Scientists
Robert Jastrow
17. Joined the Space Force to Wear my Blues
John Maddox Roberts
18. PsyOps
Stefan T. Possony
19. Three Soldiers D.C. Poyer
20. Interim Justice William F. Wu
21. No Truce with Kings Poul Anderson
There Will be War V: Warriors (1986) : TOR Books
Associate Editor John F. Carr
Cover Artist: Unknown
Story Name
Author
1. Warriors and Statesmen
Jerry Pournelle
2. He Fell Into a Dark Hole
Jerry Pournelle
3. Coup
Mack Reynolds
4. The Prevention of War
Stefan T. Possony, Jerry E. Pournelle, and Francis X. Kane
5. The Wedding March
Edward P Hughes
6. Ford O’ Kabul River
Rudyard Kipling
7. Fighting Back
Douglas J. Greenlaw and Robert Gleason
8. Victory
J.P. Boyd
9. The War Against “Star Wars”
Robert Jastrow
10. Final Solution
Ames MacKenzie
11. Masterplay
William F. Wu
12. Defense in a N-Dimensional World
Stefan T. Possony
13. Three Poems
a. Epitaph On an Army of Mercanries
A.E. Housman
b. The Oracles
A.E. Housman
c. The Last Three Days
Timothy P. Sarnecki
14. The Interrogation Team
David Drake
15. A Time of Martyrs
Jim Fiscus
16. The Road Not Taken
Harry Turtledove
17. Delusions of Soviet Weaknesses
Edward N. Luttwak
18. The Day and the Hour
Duncan Lunan
19. House of Weapons
Gordon R. Dickson
There Will be War VI: Guns of Darkness (1987): TOR
Books*
Associate Editor John F. Carr
Cover Artist: Collin Hay
Story Name
Author
1. Introductions: The Fog of War
Jerry Pournelle
2. Ideological Defeat
Christopher Anvil
3. Battleground
Gregory and James Benford
4. Surprise
Stefan T. Possony, Francis X. Kane, and Jerry E. Pournelle
5. Nonlethal
D.C. Poyer
6. Abdullah Bulbul
Amir Unknown
7. Render Unto Caesar
Eric Vinicoff and Marcia Martin
8. See Now, A Pilgrim
Gordon R. Dickson
9. Information in War
Karl von Clausewitz
10. Harmonica Song
Dan Duncan
11. Galileo Saw the Truth
Gregory Nicoll
12. By Though Alone
William R. Fortschen
13. Doughfoot Sanctum
James William Holzer
14. Learning from Viet Nam
Doan Van Toai and David Chanoff
15. Major Pugahov’s Last Battle
Shalamov
16. A glorious Triumph for the People
E. Michael Blake
17. Poems
Peter Dillingham and Robert Frazier
18. Ligdan and the Young Pretender
Walter Jon Williams
19. Decisive Warfare: Retrospect and Prospect Reginald Bretnor
20. Crown of Thorns
Edward P. Hughes
21. The Eyes of the Argos
Harry Turtledove
22. The Highest Treason
Randall Garrett
23. Friction in War
Karl Von Clausewitz
24. Uncertainty and Defense
Jerry Pournelle
There Will Be War VII: Call to Battle! (1988): TOR
Books
Associate Editor John F. Carr
Cover Artist: Les Edwards
Story Name Author
1. Introduction: Call to Battle
Jerry Pournelle
2. The Tank Lords
David Drake
3. WE Hold These Rights
Henry Melton
4. Battle Cry
Tim Sarnecki
5. Test for Tyrants
Edward P. Hughes
6. The Roman Centurion’s Song and The Islanders Rudyard
Kipling
7. Another “Low Dishonest Decade” On the Left Peter
Collier and David Horowitz
8. The Last Article
Harry Turtledove
9. Wizard Weapons
Stefan T. Possony, Jerry E. Pournelle, and Francis X. Kane
10. A Soldier’s Best Friend
Eric Vinicoff
11. Who’s In Charge Here?
Stefan T. Possony
12. Iron Angel
Don Hawthorne
13. Psi-Rec: I Gladiator
Peter Dillingham
14. Specialization in Warfare
Reginald Bretnor
15. Were-Tigers
Rob Chilson
16. Remember the Alamo
T.R. Fehrenbach
17. Valhalla For Hire
Lee Brainard
18. Debating SDI: Opinion or Fact?
Doug Beason
19. Consequences
Walter Jon Williams
20. Afterword
Jerry Pournelle
There Will be War VIII: Armageddon! (1989): TOR Books
Associate Editor John F. Carr
Cover Artist: Les Edwards
Story Name
Author
1. Introduction: Armageddon Jerry Pournelle
2. Still Time James Patrick Kelly
3. Surviving Armageddon Jerry Pournelle
4. To the Storming Gulf Gregory Benford
5. Dinosaurs Geoffrey A. Landis
6. The Prevention of War: About Unthinking the Thinkable Reginald Bretnor
7. Day of Succession Theodore L. Thomas
8. The Irvhank Effect Harry Turtledove
9. Three Poems J.E. Oestreicher, L.L Good, and Peter Dillingham
10. The Benefactors Don Hawthorne
11. Nuclear Autumn Ben Bova
12. As it Was in the Beginning Edward P. Hughes
13. Triggerman Jesse F. Bone
14. An Old Bankruptcy, A New Currency Jerry Pournelle, Dean Ing
15. Through Road No Whither Greg Bear
16. Logan Paul Edwin Zimmer
17. The World Next Door Brad Ferguson
18. Siege At Tarr- Hostigos Roland Green and John F. Carr
There Will be War IX: After Armageddon (1990): TOR
Books
Cover Artist: Tony Roberts
Story Name Author
1. After Armageddon: New Beginnings
J.E. Pournelle
2. Kenyons to the Keep
Jerry Pournelle
3. Holo-Caustic
Peter Dillingham
4. Collector’s Piece
Edward P. Hughes
5. Half the Battle
Harry Turtledove
6. Only the Strong Survive
F.G. Wyllis
7. The Last Cruise of the Zeppelin Tempest
J.P. Boyd
8. The Future of the Great Powers
Alan Brown
9. The Voice of the Cockroach
Leslie Fish
10. Song of the Red War-Boat
Rudyard Kipling
11. Primum non Nocere
Paul Edwards
12. Horatius at the Bridge
Thomas Babington, Lord Macaulay
13. Fear and survival
Reginald Bretnor
14. The Berendt Conversion
John Brunner
15. The Contract
Don Hawthorne
16. The Bodyguard
Vernon W. Glasser
17. The Palace at Midnight Robert Silverberg
18. Wintergate II: The War of the Worlds
Russell Seitz
19. Torch Christopher Anvil
20. Bringing Home the Bacon
Eric Oppen
21. Journals of the Plague Years
Norman Spinrad
22. Afterward
J.E. Pournelle
* Part of the Friedsam Library Collection
Archival Holdings:
There Will Be War: Letters [Assorted]
Carr-24-01
Physical Description:
Various letters mainly dealing with submissions for the planned There Will be War: On Alternate Worlds. Most are typed letters from authors submitting works to John Carr. Also included is a handwritten letter addressed to Jerry Pournelle. The letter deals with tactics in War and with changes in the world since the collapse of Communism.
There Will be War X: A Defense of the Social Contracts [Photocopy]
Carr-24-02
5 leaves
Physical Description:
This is Martha Soukup's article; A Defense of the Social Contracts published in Science Fiction Age September 1993 that was a possible inclusion in There will be War (TWBW) X.
There Will be War X: Donnelly Letter [Letter + envelope]
Carr-24-03
1 leaf + envelope
Physical Description:
A letter addressed to John Carr from J.W. Donnelly regarding submission of a poem entitled "Paratime Blues" for TWBW X.
There Will be War X: InfoWorld Column Jerry Pournelle [typescript]
Carr-24-04
3 leaves
Physical Description:
This is Jerry Pournelle's column in InfoWorld published, August 12, 1991 and was a possible inclusion in There will be War (TWBW) X.
There Will be War X: Pournelle Columns [typescript]
Carr-24-05
Physical Description:
These are two columns published by Jerry Pournelle to be possible inclusions in There will be War (TWBW) X. One is an May, 14th 1990 BYTE publication and the other is a March 10th, 1990 article called "Another Step Farther Out" for the annual report on the state of the sciences.
There Will be War X: Antiseptic Wars [typescript]
Carr-24-06
2 leaves
Physical Description:
Lenora Lee Good's letter to John F. Carr and copy of the poem, "Antiseptic Wars" for publication in TWBW X.
There Will be War X: Silent Night [Photocopy]
Carr-24-07
Physical Description:
A photocopy of Ben Bova's "Silent Night" which appeared in the Dec 1987 issue of Isaac Asimov's magazine. This was a possible inclusion in TWBW X.
There Will be War X: "Death or Glory" [typescript]
Carr-24-08
Physical Description:
W.T. Quick's writing, "Death or Glory" that appeared in 1984 Analog and was a possible inclusion in TWBW X.
There Will be War X: Collected Articles [typescript]
Carr-24-09
Physical Description:
Assorted news and journal articles talking about Communism, the changing world and South Africa.
There Will be War X: "Psi Rec Poetry" [typescript]
Carr-24-10
Physical Description:
Collections of Peter Dillingham's Psi Rec Poetry that is a nearly complete collection. In his letter to John Carr he says this includes 99% of his Psi Rec Poetry. Some of this material was meant to be included in TWBW X.
There Will be War X: I to I [typescript]
27 leaves
Carr-24-11
Physical Description:
Martin Tays's story "I to I" that was yet unpublished. Tays's offers first serial rights of his manuscript to Pournelle and Associates. Some form of this was likely to appear in TWBW X.
There Will be War X: The Man I'll Never Be [letter + photocopy]
Carr-24-12
Physical Description:
This is Doug Beason's story "The Man I'll Never Be" it appeared in May 1987 in Amazing Stories and was a possible inclusion in TWBW X.
There Will be War Submission: I Tell you It's True [photocopy]
Carr-24-13
Physical Description:
A photocopy of Poul Anderson's, "I Tell you It's True" that appeared in 1972 in Nova 2.
There Will be War Submission: Shadow War [letter + typescript]
Carr-24-14
58 leaves
Physical Description:
A letter from Michael W. Goerss submitting his manuscript of "Shadow War" for comments and possible inclusion in a later TWBW book.
There Will be War Submission: City of Hearts Unshielded [letter + typescript]
Carr-24-15
Physical Description:
A letter and manuscript from Mark W. Tiedmann for the story, "City of Hearts Unshielded".
There Will be War Submission: Protection [photocopy]
Carr-24-16
Physical Description:
A photocopy of Maureen McHugh, " Protection". While it is a photocopy it was published in 1992 but the name of this publication is not known.
There Will be War Submission: The Red Light [letter +typescript]
Carr-24-17
Physical Description:
A letter and manuscript of :"The Right Light" by Randell Crump which is an unpublished manuscript.
There Will be War Submission: Breakfast at Twilight [photocopy]
Carr-24-18
Physical Description:
A photocopy of Phiip K. Dick's, "Breakfast at Twilight" which appeared in Amazing Stories July 1954.
There Will be War Submission: Military Specialization: Negative Aspects [typescript]
Carr-24-19
12 leaves
Physical Description:
A manuscript for Reginald Bretnor's, "Military Specialization: Negative Aspects." This is the original submission for TWBW.
There Will be War Submission: The Combatants [typescript]
Carr-24-20
29 leaves
Physical Description:
The fourth tale of the world of the zeppelins that is a continuation of the stories that appeared in TWBW V and IX. This story is unpublished.
There Will be War Submission: The Weakest Point [typescript + 2 letters + envelope]
Carr-24-21
42 leaves + envelope
Physical Description:
"The Weakest Point" by S. Owen Smith which was submitted to John F. Carr for review and possible inclusion in a TWBW anthology.
There Will be War Submission: VRM-547 [Envelope + letter+ typescript]
Carr-24-22
17 leaves + envelope
Physical Description:
A letter from W.R. Thompson along with inclusion of his story, "VRM-547" for consideration in the TWBW anthologies.
There Will be War Submission: March of the Men of Harlech [typescript]
Carr-24-23
Physical Description:
Author Unknown, this is a poem submission for TWBW.
There Will be War Submission letters [typescript]
Carr-24-24
6 leaves
Physical Description:
Six letters from various authors discussing their submissions to the TWBW anthologies. Authors included are; S. Owen Smith, Reginald Bretnor, Walter Jon Williams, and Alan Brown.
There Will be War Submission: Oak Leaves, Swords, and Diamonds [typescript]
Carr-24-25
30 leaves
Physical Description:
"Oak Leaves, Swords, and Diamonds" by J.P. Boyd which is third part of Boyd's series that appears in TWBW V and IX.
There Will be War Submission: Ready for the Fatherland [typescript]
Carr-24-26
16 leaves
Physical Description:
Harry Turtledove's submission, "Ready for the Fatherland" submitted for TWBW. This was later published in What Might Have Been? Volume 3: Alternate Wars (1991) eds. Gregory Benford and Martin H. Greenberg).
There Will be War Submission: Of the People [photocopy]
Carr-24-27
7 leaves
Physical Description:
Morton Klass' story, "Of the People" published in March 1951 by Astounding Science-Fiction considered for TWBW anthologies.
There Will be War Submission: Bright Light Big City [typescript]
Carr-24-28
19 leaves
Physical Description:
"Bright Light, Big City" by Greg Costikyan was published in the Feb 1991 of Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine. It was submitted for consideration to TWBW.
There Will be War Submission: Elimination Round [typescript + envelope]
Carr-24-29
35 leaves + envelope
Physical Description:
Bruce Benthke's submission of the unpublished "Elimination Round" and offer of non-exclusive Anthology rights. This was sent in 1986 specifically for TWBW XIII but could have been under consideration for other TWBW anthologies.
There Will be War Submission: Galactic Pothunter [typescript]
Carr-24-30
30 leaves
Physical Description:
Manuscript for "Galactic Pothunter" by Michael Armstrong sent for consideration for the TWBW anthologies.
There Will be War XI Submission: Helmet [photocopy]
Carr-24-31
Physical Description:
"Helmet" by Rick Wilber that was a submission to John Carr for the TWBW anthology XI. This appeared in the 1991 issue of Aboriginal.
There Will be War XI Submission: A Little Edge [photocopy]
Carr-24-32
Physical Description:
William E. Cochrane's "Little Edge" that was submitted for TWBW XI. This story appeared in the July 1971 issue of Analog.
There Will be War XI Submission: Black Sheep Astray [typescript]
Carr-24-33
Physical Description:
"Black Sheep Astray" by Mack Reynolds that was sent to John Carr for TWBW XI. This story appeared in Astounding Science Fiction in 1973 and was edited by Harry Harrison.
There Will be War XI Submission: Original Sin [photocopy]
Carr-24-34
Physical Description:
"Original Sin" by Vernor Vinge, it appeared in the December 1972 issue of Analog. This story was submitted for inclusion in TWBW XI.
There Will be War XI Submission: The Leader [typescript]
Carr-24-35
78 leaves
Physical Description:
Original typed draft of "The Leader" by John Gribbin. This work was not published elsewhere and was sent for review to John Carr for TWBW XI.
There Will be War XI Submission: Target of Opportunity [typescript]
Carr-24-36
31 Leaves
Physical Description:
Thomas Wylde's story, "Target of Opportunity" that originally appeared in Galaxy and was submitted for consideration for TWBW XI.
There Will be War XI Submission: The Last Surviving Veteran of the War of San Francisco [photocopy]
Carr-24-37
Physical Description:
"The Last Surviving Veteran of the War of San Francisco" by Robert Silverberg that was submitted for TWBW XI. This was published Omni in March 1991.
There Will be War XI Submission: Dry Niger [photocopy]
Carr-24-38
Physical Description:
"Dry Niger" by M. Shane Belle, published in the Aug 1990 issue of Asimov's. This was submitted for TWBW XI.
There Will be War XI Submission: King of the Cyber Rifles [typescript]
Carr-24-39
27 leaves
Physical Description:
George Alec Effinger's manuscript of "King of the Cyber Rifles", it was published in Aismov's in December 1987.
There Will be War XI Submission: Wargamer [typescript]
Carr-24-40
Physical Description:
A manuscript Don D'Ammassa's story, "Wargamer" submitted for TWBW XI. It is unknown whether or not the story was published in any format.
There Will be War XI Submission: Professionals [Photocopy]
Carr-24-41
Physical Description:
"Professionals" by Michaelene Pendleton that John Carr requested to review and comment upon. This was under consideration for TWBW XI. It appeared in Asimov's December 1991 issue.
There Will be War XI Submission: Beneath the Shadow of Her Smile [photocopy]
Carr-24-42
Physical Description:
Alexander Jablokov's story "Beneath the Shadow of Her Smile" that appeared in Asimov's in April 1985. It was submitted for possible inclusion in the TWBW XI anthology.
There Will be War XI Submission: Plowshare [typescript]
Carr-24-43
Physical Description:
"Plowshare" by Martha Soukup that appeared in Alternate Presidents (Tor Books Feb 1992). This was sent to John Carr for consideration in TWBW XI.
Possibly Considered for There Will Be War
Other Anthology Submissions (Possible TWBW consideration): A Short History of World War: XXVIII [photocopy]
Carr-24-68
Physical Description:
Roy L. Prosterman's, "A Short History of World War: XXVIII" that appeared in April 1977 in Condé wast Publications.
Other Anthology Submissions (Possible TWBW consideration): Peace in the Valley [photocopy]
Carr-24-69
Physical Description:
Bob Buckley's story "Peace in the Valley" first published in 1984 by Analog.
Other Anthology Submissions (Possible TWBW consideration): Training Device [photocopy]
Carr-24-70
Physical Description:
Theodore Cogswell's story, "Training Device" that was first published in 1955 by Greenleaf Publishing COmpany.
Other Anthology Submissions (Possible TWBW consideration): Last Blast [photocopy]
Carr-24-71
Physical Description:
Eric Frank Russell's, "Last Blast" which appeared in Astounding Science fiction in 1952.
Other Anthology Submissions (Possible TWBW consideration): The Zombie Corps: Nine-Lives Charlie [photocopy]
Carr-24-72
Physical Description:
Rayson Lorrey's story, "The Zombie Corps: Nine-Lives Charlie" that appeared in Writers of the Future Vol IV 1988.
Other Anthology Submissions (Possible TWBW consideration): Long Knives [photocopy]
Carr-24-73
Physical Description:
J.R. Dunn's, "Long Knives" which appeared in the 1987 Writer's of the Future #3.
Other Anthology Submissions (Possible TWBW consideration): Psi-Rec [letter + typescript]
Carr-24-74
Physical Description:
Assorted Poems of Peter Dillingham's Psi-Rec series that were sent to John Carr in case one would fit an anthology topic.
Other Anthology Submissions (Possible TWBW consideration): Psi-Rec [letter + typescript]
Carr-24-75
Physical Description:
More of Peter Dillingham's Psi-Rec poetry send to John Carr.
Other Anthology Submissions (Possible TWBW consideration): Vietnam: How We Deceived Ourselves [photocopy]
Carr-24-76
Physical Description:
Doan Van Toai's article, "Vietnam: How We Deceived Ourselves" which was published by Commentary, March 1986.
Other Anthology Submissions (Possible TWBW consideration): Enough Rope [photocopy]
Carr-24-77
24 leaves
Physical Description:
"Enough Rope" by Poul Anderson which appeared in Astounding Science Fiction in July 1953.
Other Anthology Submissions (Possible TWBW consideration): News from 1985 (poem) [letter + typescript]
Carr-24-78
2 leaves
Physical Description:
A letter and poem from Dana Gioria to John Carr. The Poem is entitled "News from 1985".
Other Anthology Submissions (Possible TWBW consideration): The Alien Enemy [photocopy]
Carr-24-79
20 leaves
Physical Description:
"The Alien Enemy" by Poul Anderson that first appeared in Analog in 1968.
Other Anthology Submissions (TWBW consideration): The Weakest Point Resubmission [typescript + letter + envelope]
Carr-24-80
44 leaves + envelope
Physical Description:
A resubmission of, "The Weakest Point" by S. Owen Smith for TWBW XIII. Changes were made based on comments by John F. Carr on his first submission.
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