"My Talk with
Talmadge"
By Roi Ottley
"How does it feel to be a Negro?" is a
question I am frequently asked by white people. Nearly 100,000 books,
pamphlets and tracts have been written about the Negro and countless studies and
investigations have been made. Yet, no one seems to have the answer.
Perhaps I can illustrate one aspect of "being a Negro" with an
incident from my own experience.
I have always resisted the slogan, "See America
First" - especially when the appeal suggested traveling in certain sections of
Dixie. However, in connection with a newspaper assignment, I made a trip
to Georgia to interview Governor Herman Talmadge. I was made indelibly
aware of the fact and feeling of being a Negro - a thing often naked of dignity
- from the moment I arrived at the state capitol in Atlanta to keep a scheduled
9 o'clock appointment with the governor. This innocent mission churned so
much emotion that my feelings were mangled in the process.
The day was bright and sunny. The stately building,
surrounded by neatly-manicured lawns and hedges, had an air of mellowed
culture. I paused a moment to watch a bent old Negro slowly clip the
hedges. I had seen him before; the man with the hoe, done in black. |
Georgia Governor Herman E. Talmadge (Served from
1948-1955) |
The atmosphere inside the capitol's shabby paneled corridors,
had the air of a political clubhouse. The place swarmed with a motley
group of white people. This morning they had one thing in common - a
disagreeable incredulity at seeing a Negro in the capitol. Consequently, I
picked my way deftly through the crowd, careful not to jostle anyone and give
cause for open hostility. The fact was that those around me could not
throw off their dehumanized image of the Negro - an image challenged by my
conventional appearance. Thus, I was forced to assume an air of elaborate
politeness in order not to give offense. To be sure, I hated myself for
donning the cloak of Uncle Tom. But I reasoned my assignment was more
important than my personal feelings.
The first person I approached was the receptionist - a gray
haired, stylishly dressed woman who might have been the prissy mistress of a
fashionable girls' school. When she spied me heading towards her, she
flushed deeply. Suddenly, she began to noisily shuffle papers, pretending
to be extremely busy.
I knew I would have difficulty unless I handled the lady
gingerly. Seemingly, she was the type who had learned well the black
business of "keeping Negroes in their place." So I stood before
her desk and waited for her to ask my business. She ignored my presence
and sought, instead, to interview anyone within shouting distance. When
she could no longer recruit people and thus have a pretext for passing me up,
the lady coldly asked what I wanted.
This gentle lady never lifted her eyes while making the
inquiry. The procedure was painfully distasteful to her. She made no
attempt to conceal her feelings. Her manner placed me in the position of
an intruder, a black alien. Her haughty agitation inspired the white men
about her to crowd around her desk protectively. They made it clear that
the regarded me as a dangerous character - or, at the very least, a bumptious
messenger who, somehow, had wandered through the wrong door of a country club.
Even the white-coated Negro porters, equally surprised by my
appearance in Georgia's capitol, paused in their chores and nervously watched to
see what would happen. I was completely isolated now. Silence fell
upon the corridor, almost with a thud. Everyone listened attentively to
hear what I was about to say. For a brief moment I had to summon my
voice. But I experienced a perverse pleasure in boldly announcing: "I have a nine o'clock appointment to interview Governor
Talmadge."
I suppose my voice carried a note of triumph. I had
tried to modulate it otherwise. But my manner betrayed me. I could
not genuflect to the rigid decorum a southern white woman tries to exact of
every Negro male in public. The compulsion to assert myself, however small
the gesture, compelled me to toss off the shattering news.
One would suppose I asked the lady for the next dance.
Her freckled hands trembled and perspiration dewed her forehead. I thought
she might faint. She paled and appeared almost speechless. Someone
had neglected to tell her before hand about the Negro who was scheduled to see
the Governor. There was a stubborn disbelief in the eyes of the crowd as
well.
With this subtle support, the lady primly recovered her
composure. "And what do you want to talk to the Governor about?"
she asked.
As politely as I could, with my resentments mounting, I
explained that my business was for the Governor's ears only. She
instructed me to leave the building and return in one hour - this apparently to
avoid inviting me to be seated. No one believed my fantastic story.
But when I hesitated about leaving, I apparently hung everyone on the horns of
dilemma; the men who eyed me as if I had said something offensive, pondered what
next to do; the receptionist, who perhaps felt I was deliberately difficult,
undoubtedly had visions of announcing me and being noisily reprimanded for
unpardonable ignorance; the Negro porters, who had perhaps regarded me as an
upstart northern Negro, seemed worried that I might stir the white folks to
anger.
The wall against me was solid. I felt routed as I
left. Nevertheless, I returned in an hour, I was met by cold, blue,
brittle stares. I felt chilled to the marrow. The faces formed a
grim gauntlet as I strode directly to the receptionist desk. This time,
with my patience ebbing, I insisted upon being announced. But the
receptionist's defenses had been thrown up; in a preparation for my return she
had called the guards. They edged close, alert to seize me if I made a
move faintly aggressive.
I wondered vaguely what my course should be in case of untoward incident - fight
or flight! The woman herself was in an equal quandary - and because of
this, she eyed me with a sullenness I felt might explode. But with a
let's-settle-this-now attitude, one of the guard's urged her to check my
story.
Finally she picked up the telephone receiver. She
wheeled in her swivel chair and gave me the back of her neck. I could not
hear what she was saying, but utter disbelief rang from the other end of the
wire. The woman became red to the roots of her hair when she put down the
receiver. He eyes blazed angrily. The dilemma was not mine.
But before I could consider what to do next, a handsome young woman opened a
nearby door marked "private," and poked her blond head out and sneaked
a peak at me. She withdrew quickly and perhaps dismayed by what she had
seen. I was the cynosure of all eyes, as everyone waited my next
remarks.
The place became a vortex of racial tensions. And I
suddenly became wet with perspiration - what if the governor had forgotten the
scheduled appointment! But suddenly the telephone buzzed. The
receptionist answered eagerly perhaps anticipating a throw-him-out order.
The crowd seemed to strain forward hopefully. But from
a confident, full bosomed manner, her body suddenly sagged. She listened
with widening eyes, asked for confirmation repeatedly, and finally in amazement
turned in my direction. "The Governor will see you now," she
announced, shrugging helplessly at the disappointed crowd.
There was a marked contrast between the behavior of this
female go-between and the chief executive of Georgia. To begin with, he is
educated and well traveled. He conducted himself with eminent civility and
observed all the social amenities expected of a gentleman. His behavior,
though not chesterfieldian, was in marked contrast to that of his subordinates,
who were openly disturbed by his tradition-shattering invitation to a
Negro.
As I was ushered into his small private office, Talmadge rose
at his spacious desk, greeted me cordially, offered me a long cigar and
comfortable chair, and inquired how I was enjoying Atlanta. He was relaxed
and informal. When he had completed the amenities, he sat down and threw
his big feet on the desk. He eyed me carefully, though not with hostility.
He drew heavily on his cigar, leaned back in a cloud of smoke, and waited my
first question. His manner was superbly confident, even
affable.
To be sure, all this happened behind close doors. But
two bulky agitated gentlemen, who measured me suspiciously, sat in on the
interview. The Governor did not offer to introduce them. I was
afterwards assured they were not bodyguards, as I had presumed. Maybe the
governor only wanted some precinct "boys" to sit in to hear what the
Negroes are talking about these days; or, maybe he had them in as witnesses to
the fact that the chief never allowed a Negro any social
liberties. In any case, to judge by their stolid expressions, what
transpired either bored them utterly or passed over their heads entirely.
I had sought this interview with Herman Talmadge to
discover, even perhaps evaluate, what sort of demagogic personality ran
Georgia's political machine that caused so much grief to the
Negro. The first question I put to him concerned freedom of the
ballot. He answered with the old chestnut - by conceding the
Negro's right to vote, but viewing with alarm "Negro bloc
voting" as a danger to the South. He illustrated his
contention with a referendum held in Georgia's Wayne County, in which a
solid Negro vote defeated prohibition.
This development he described as a "miscarriage
of justice" and complained that the wishes of the white
community had been thwarted, as indeed it was in this case. He
refused to acknowledge this as the working of the democratic
process. His view, he made plain, was that the will of the people
should prevail always, even indeed when it happens to be minority
opinion. Afterwards, I learned, he used this incident to propagandize
against Negroes exercising the franchise.
The young executive bemoaned the fact, in further laboring his
"bloc vote " theme, that "northern prejudice prevented
Southerners from aspiring to the presidency of the U.S. - an observation
that might suggest his ultimate ambition. In any case, he declared
accusingly, "You Negroes in Chicago, New York, Detroit,
Philadelphia, and Cleveland vote against all Southerners, no matter who
they are." The power of the Negro ballot in the North which
Talmadge acknowledged by implication, had alarming meanings to
him. He made it clear the pattern would not be repeated in Georgia
- that is, if he had his way!
Fear of mob violence and police brutality hangs
heavily over the Negro in Georgia, particularly in rural Georgia.
Therefore, security of person, I told the governor, was the Negro's most
urgent need today - "So Negroes don't always have to peek through
the windows, before opening the door," was the way I phrased the
feeling current among Negroes. He flatly denied knowledge of such
fear among Negroes and cited three separate occasions when he had
furnished state police to protect the lives of Negroes. "If Negroes
really fear for their lives," he said somewhat plaintively,
"nobody told me about this."
Even so, he declared, Negroes were better off in the
South than in the North. "Why, the Negro race in the U.S. has
made greater progress during the last half century than any other of the
world's backward races," he declared. He pointed to the existence
of prosperous Negro doctors, lawyers, bankers and businessmen, and to
outstanding Negro universities in Atlanta - which incidentally are
maintained not by Georgia funds, but by Northern philanthropy.
Talmadge ascribed Negro progress to the policy of segregation in the
South.
I replied that segregation - the theory of
"separate but equal" - was a demonstrated failure
everywhere in the country. Talmadge only shrugged in answer to
this remark, and offered no rebuttal, though his silent spectators
blinked curiously. But he afterwards amended his theory of Negro
progress to say Negroes were economically better off in the South, and
indeed had always been.
Governor Talmadge is hardly as crude a racialist as
Negroes believe. He urbanly {sic} used the term "Negroes"
or "colored people, " not the offensive "niggers" or
"nigras." However, I came away convinced that beyond
these delicate shadings of speech, there is no difference in his basic
racial philosophy and that of his followers. Actually, they only
differ in techniques. Both have identical aims: to keep the Negro
a second class citizen.
The above article appeared in Bronzeville Magazine, November
1954? The St. Bonaventure
University Archives owns the original type-script for this
article.
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